☭: Lenin fans, please look up the Cheka.
Some fun facts that these anti-Soviet types should know:
- The Ukraine, Poland, and various other nations that the USSR fought in it’s early days were PART OF RUSSIA at the time, the wars you’re talking about were wars of independence, some places got independence, some didn’t. I challenge you to show me a nation of any significance that’s never tried/succeeded in putting down an independence movement.
- The Tuvan People’s Republic joined the USSR of it’s own free will.
- The USSR cannot be held responsible for the actions of Tito, Kim Ill Sung, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong or similar people.
- The USSR cannon be held responsible for the mistakes of the Russian empire, the Russian federation or any of the ex-Soviet states
- Holodomor was caused by the people of the Ukraine destroying THIER OWN crops and killing THIER OWN livestock in protest. It wasn’t the USSR’s fault.
- Lenin is not Stalin.
- Lenin did not appoint Stalin.
- The USSR cannot be held accountable for deaths, destruction, famine or anything else as a result of WW2, seeing as that was a war of Nazi aggression.
- Just because there were people in the USSR who had a bad life doesn’t mean it was a bad country. I challenge you to name any country at any point in history in which everybody was happy and prosperous.
That is all.
NO SHUT UP.
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT EASTERN EUROPE. LENIN CEDED THOSE LANDS TO GERMANY TO GET OUT OF WWI AND GERMANY LOST THEM. FUCK YOU. POLAND, UKRAINE, AND BELARUS HAVE THEIR OWN LANGUAGES AND CULTURES AND YOU ARE ERASING THEM. THEY WERE THEIR OWN COUNTRIES AT THE TIME AS WELL.
Also, Holodomor was NOT Ukrainians destroying their own crops. There was a famine. That is it.
And I know Lenin is not Stalin. The person I was talking to said that all the deaths were justified because there weren’t as many of them due to communism as opposed to capitalism to develop.
fuck you. you know nothing about Eastern Europe so stop acting like you do.
Calm down bro.
You’re asking me to calm down? Fuck you. I’m Slavic. The Soviets brualised my people, and you’re asking me to calm down and sit back and watch as apologetics like you defend those actions and erase the cultures of other non-Russian Slavic and Eastern European peoples? No. No, I’m not going to do that.
Just because Ukraine and Belarus use the Cyrillic alphabet doesn’t mean that they’re just like Russia so don’t act like they are. And Poland is nothing like Russia.
You’re Slavic? Cool. Have you ever looked at my page for five seconds because it says right there that i am too.
Also, i never said that Poland was like Russia, only that it was part of the Russian empire at the time of the revolution.
So? Lenin still ceded those lands to Germany.
And the Soviet Empire having sovereignty over Poland still means nothing from a moral standpoint. And from even a practical standpoint, trying to fuck over Poland showed the Poles that the USSR was nothing but the Russian empire with a new face, which contributed to Poland remaining a thorn in the USSR’s side until ‘89.
edit: also there are like…so many things wrong with the claims you’re throwing up. Which side was the aggressor doesn’t change the laws of war, which both the Soviets and Nazis flagrantly violated. The number of Soviet deaths can be rather directly attributed to Stalin’s purge of the officer corps in the 30s which left the Soviet army amazingly poorly led.
